Toonzone

[Baycrum]

I pretty much HATE this forum but put up with it anyways to spread news of this site.I'm Baycrum267 there.But,The TV show is already being bashed on Toonzone( one person called us a Bunch of dumbminded people who knew nothing about originality)I hope nick doesn't pay atention to those people cause I'm really excited about the show I posted the website up myself up myself.If you want to put POSITIVE comments up please do here:forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=229809&page=3

[Aurum]

These people sound far too elitist for me to even want to talk to them. Sorry. D:

Heaven forbid something be fun. It's audiences' own fault that they didn't watch any of Nick's original series'. Nick can't afford making some radically new concept with a high budget what with everyone watching shows like Avatar illegally on YouTube and Veoh and whatnot. If this is what Nick needs to get back on its feet, so be it.

Besides, to me, it's not if an idea was created in-house or outside previously; it's what you do with that idea that counts. Everything was inspired by something at some point anyway. As an example, people praise Pixar for drooling originality, when I've seen similarities to previous films/comics/etc. such as:

Raggedy Ann, about toys that come to life.

Watchmen, about costumed crimefighters forced into retirement and being killed off years after that. Only in the Incredibles, they have actual superpowers, which are inspired by those of the Fantastic Four.

Doc Hollywood, a young hotshot, while heading for California, is forced to stay in a rural town that he messed up to do community service. He has a love interest who was a big city person who decided to settle down somewhere smaller. He has early conflicts with an older man of his same career. But in the end, he decides to stay.

Short Circuit, about a robot who becomes unique by developing a personality, and doesn't want to do what he's programmed to do. Andrew Stanton, the creator of WALL-E, admits to seeing Short Circuit. Though he says he didn't remember it. So at the most, it could have been only subconciously inspired.

But it's the execution of how Toy Story, The Incredibles, Cars, and WALL-E were made that's why they are very popular and well-liked films.

It's hard to make something completely original in a world where films have existed for a hundred years in rabid competition. So while originality is a great thing to use, it's probably not going to do much in swaying my opinion if the film wasn't able to be good.

[Mansion]

I have to agree with Aurum here. What a bunch of pricks.

And half the posts are either random CGI-movie bashing or unsubtantiated dismissal of the movie based on the PREVIEWS.

And they're so high and mighty to bash US for loving the movie and seeing potential in it?

Yeah, there is a sense of "here we go again" as to Nick and DW, but if the PRODUCT is good (and thus far, it is, judging by the movies themselves and the PoM series--which I spent an hour watching earlier today and am loving more than I would have thought possible), where's the harm?

I think a lot of it is that the people there are above the target audience and have become oldsters complining about the lack of quality in cartoons these days. I sympathize there. I mean, heck, I've been there. (Seems like every new season, Cartoon Network stabs me in the heart a little more...) But by dismissing everything out of hand based only on the fact that it's a tie-in, they're forgetting that in quite a few cases, movies--even ones not intended to spawn a tie-in series--have produced awesome, lasting cartoon series.

Which isn't to say I don't have my doubts about MvA: The Series, because I do. But at least give it a chance before you get your panties in a twist.

[Mansion]

RE: Wall-E/Short Circuit

The VERY FIRST thought I had during the first time I saw a preview was... Um, Short Circuit much?

Great points about the aping of ideas. And the thing about MvA is that it's clearly based on 'fifties sci-fi horror. But that works more FOR it than against it, as there's so many more things to pull inspiration from. Yeah, it's not quote-unquote origional, but how many cartoons are? So long as it can remain entertaining, it should be considered successful.

[Nobility]

Yeah... Toon Zone has a lot of elitist snobs there. There's some pretty nice people there, too, of course, but the snobs tend to stand out.

The NickToons board seems to be where all the snobs congregate, I think. And yeah, I read that comment that one guy made about us and MvA- geez, what a jerk! Yes, because the plot is more of a parody than anything it's so clearly "unoriginal"- because, ya know, EVERY OTHER cartoon coming out nowadays is about monsters or aliens in some sort of way. Totally.

[Mansion]

Yeah, and after all the cartoons that are clearly mimicking anime, it'll be cool to have one that harks back to Mad Magazine and classic Americana.

I'm not even bashing the Japanese invasion, but it's a refreshing change of pace.

[Aurum]

^I completely agree with you! :)

[Blackboxx]

If they don't like the idea, they can watch something else. I personally despise Spongebob, so I don't watch it. Simple, yes?

I do sympathize with the people that claim Nick's originality department has taken a hit. I was only in 6th grade when the first nicktoons aired. They were a blast, but the newer stuff just feels half-hearted. The hesitation to get excited over something with a recent track record of disappointment is understandable. Try not to be too hard on them.

[Mansion]

It's not that they're clearly disenfranchised with Nick. I get that 100% (I'm STILL pissed over Zim being cancelled).

It's not that they're sick of movies being spun into over-commercialized clusterf***s. I also understand that, and if I didn't love MvA so much, I'd probably be more disenfranchised with the commecialization of it myself.

What REALLY grinds my gears is that a bunch of them are admitting to not having seen the movie and are making judgements on it.

Also, being accused of having no awareness of origionality or quality because I love this move, am involved in the fandoms and want to see a cartoon series? Kinda stings. I'm not a commecial whore who gulps down whatever's fed to me. I have my own reasons for liking the movie and finding it funny and stimulating and worthy of further expansion on the universe and characters therein. It's frequently witty, filled with fun nods to classic SF/horror, throughly entertaining, has a satisfying message about friendship and acceptance, and it's visually stunning to boot.

[Blackboxx]

True. Some of their comments are downright ignorant. Disillusionment will do that to people. In their minds, the series has no potential whatsoever. Seeing the movie will do nothing to change their minds.

All I'm saying is we don't need to frequent their forums if we feel unappreciated. Let them hate a show before A) it even gets the green light, and B) they watch it. No skin off my back, and I'm sure it's the same for the rest of us. Why try to convince them otherwise? It's not like their forum posting will stop the show from seeing the light of day.

[Mansion]

Hmm. Recent comments there are kinder and more hopeful, and... HOLY CRUD, HALLOWEEN SPECIAL WITH MUTANT PUMPKINS? FROM OUTER SPACE?!?!?! DOES LIFE GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT?

I'm actually glad I checked back there.

[Baycrum]

Wow They're getting positive?!Yea!And Mutant Pumkins Special?!I have to see this i wonder what channel?

[Mansion]

NBC. It's got its own thread in the sequels section here.

[Baycrum]

Really cool.