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Post by Aurum on May 8, 2009 22:14:30 GMT -5
Thinking about the fact that Dr. Cockroach is a cross between a human with a lifespan of about 70 years and a cockroach with the lifespan of about 1 year, his lifespan shouldn't be all that great. He was captured as a monster in either 1952 or 1962 in at the very least his early 20s. If he aged, he at least should be somewhat frail by 2008, when the movie was set. But he isn't.
Meaning I think that these monsters are given a way to last longer until the government ever needs them.
I'm guessing they didn't even think about keeping them immortal until the Invisible Man had died. But when this occurred, they decided to keep the others alive by giving them the ability to last far longer.
And that could also explain W.R. Monger's age, seeing that he spends so much time around the monsters. Perhaps he's also gotten a whiff of this fountain of youth.
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Post by Twitter Cordova on May 9, 2009 2:18:14 GMT -5
This is what throws me off a lot at times when I'm thinking about the monsters in the film, because there are a lot of pointers we have to deal with, like the fact that the dates were wrong, because in the movie when they show Dr. C with some experiment notes on his clipboard, you can see that the date said 1962, that same time when he had that cockroach head, but the offical website said he was captured in 1952. That doesn't make any sense! (I think there might of been a clear error somewhere.)
That being said about Susan's captured too. The website also stated that she was captured in 2008, but it's 2009 for us right? I'm not sure where the following year is suppose to be taking place in the film because they never said, so my best guess was it could be either 2008 or 2009 cause the dates from the website might be wrong. But that's just me.
Now the ages, I find that as a mystery because Monger did said that over the last 50 years, he has been capturing monsters, but he's 90 years old as it was said so before at the end of the film. That I find freaky because there's no point in telling if there's ever really a youth thing going around or not. Course The Missing Link is 20,000 years old so...he's live around longer before. I do wonder at times if one of them has something that's been making them live this long and young before.
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Post by Mansion on May 9, 2009 12:28:11 GMT -5
I think that since it was stated that Dr. C's experiments were in extracting the cockroach's longevity--i.e., hardiness, ability to survive, etc.--this has created some sort of Gesalt effect and fused a lengthy human lifespan with what is tantamount to indesrtuctability. I don't think it's too far beyond the realm of probability to believe his experiment is the sole thing giving him his sprightliness and extended lifespan. I have been wandering about this one a lot myself, for various stories I've been writing.
It's not too hard to believe that Insecto and B.O.B. have lasted like this on their own, in relatively good health, but Link gives me a little more trouble. He's been in the Area a good fourty years, and he was cryogenically frozen (in a completely scientifically impossible manner ^_^), so he must have aged a while back in prehistoric times... I think either the completely impossible fish/ape race must have a miraculous lifespan, or we're really just supposed to be suspending our disbelief a little so we can have a Creature for the Black Lagoon parody.
Which is to say... With all the other myriad ways the movie disregards pure, cold science and logic in the name of fun, I don't think the aging thing is a terribly huge cross to bear.
That being said... You theory is plausible enough, in its way... It fills in several gaps, and you used a lot of the given facts and made some interesting connections. Also disregarding the scientific improbability of some kind of fountain of youth.
It's just not a theory that I'm particularly supportive of. Especially the part about the monsters being the government's secret weapons. They were locked up simply because there was nothing else to do with them. They were the last ditch of the last ditch by the government, most of whom were unaware of the project until Monger filled them in. And the government itself is portrayed as largely incompetant and overblown, so I'm having a hard time reconsiling a secret immortality R and D department.
I'm not arguing, honestly; I do respect your opinion and I am impressed by the leap you made. Just offering some counterpoints.
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Post by Baycrum on May 9, 2009 13:39:37 GMT -5
I've been wondering this too!!!But how did you know when they were captured(someone tell me)?But don't think too hard about it,its just a movie!
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Post by Twitter Cordova on May 9, 2009 13:43:08 GMT -5
The offical Monsters Vs. Aliens website tells the years they have been captured Baycrum. When you get there, click on the button that says Dossiers. They even got a profile for The Preisdent and General Monger too.
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Post by Baycrum on May 9, 2009 13:43:45 GMT -5
Okay cool thanks.Man they're old!!!
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Post by Twitter Cordova on May 9, 2009 13:46:11 GMT -5
Yes, VERY old expect for Susan lol she's still brand new
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Post by Mansion on May 9, 2009 13:56:00 GMT -5
Oh, hey... I've been wondering if the quantonium in Susan might arreast the aging process as well. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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Post by Nobility on May 9, 2009 15:47:46 GMT -5
You know, I actually find the theory of Monger falling in/having access to the Fountain of Youth a pretty interesting theory that would fit right in with his characters. In one of the viral sites "Who Is General Monger?", it's explained that the Monger family apparently have a history of monster hunting, which means Monger's obviously encountered a lot of weird things in his life- it's not too far off to think he'd come across the FoY.
As for the longevity of the other monsters, well... maybe Cockroach experimented on them in their sleep or something? Maybe it gave Link a longer lifespan, but at the cost of his health, which is why he's so out of shape in the beginning of the movie. Dunno, just a weird theory.
As for quantonium=longer lifespan for Susan, I'd say its very possible. If the quantonium was so powerful to supercharge her entire body until she was 49-foot eleven inch giantess, it's logical to think that it will also serve to keep Susan's body in it's prime.
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Post by Aurum on May 9, 2009 15:51:15 GMT -5
That being said... You theory is plausible enough, in its way... It fills in several gaps, and you used a lot of the given facts and made some interesting connections. Also disregarding the scientific improbability of some kind of fountain of youth. Maybe fountain of youth was the wrong phrase. More like a slowing of the aging process. ;) |
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Post by Crazyrabidpony on May 9, 2009 16:02:15 GMT -5
That is quite a facinating theory! Haley thinks so too! XD Yeah, perhaps Dr. Cockroach performed experiments an all of them, including Monger and himself. That is probably what caused Link's mistrust toward Dr. Cockroach's experimenting.
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Post by Twitter Cordova on May 9, 2009 23:47:13 GMT -5
That could be it, but a remider to you all, that Dr. Cockroach's experiments don't always succeed in the progress X3
I've been asking myself the same question on Susan cause she still looks young with all of that white hair that she has when she grew into a 49 foot tall monster.
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Post by Mansion on May 10, 2009 4:32:59 GMT -5
Well, there's no evidence in movie of quantonium = longer lifespan... It's pure fanspec about the possible effects. Her body "radiates with pure energy, giving her super size and strength," so... is quantonium radioactive? Is it constantly releasing energy? Could that effect (or even partially replace) her metabolism? And could the influx of energy keep her younger longer?
And in regards to her white hair... I keep wondering if that's frome the quantonium or the trauma of the physical changes. Hair loses pigment under ties of great stress, so... Eh. Just something I've been kicking around.
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Post by Blackboxx on May 10, 2009 7:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the 'it's just a movie' excuse. They were locked up to keep the public unaware of them, not to store them as weapons, so there was no need to make them immortal/extend their lifespan.
As for the white hair, I think the quantonium is supposed to destroy pigment, like bleach. Her hair isn't the only thing that changes. Her eyes go from brownish-hazel to light blue. Some pictures of her as a normal person also showed she had some freckles, which seem to become lighter when she changes (you get a lot of extreme close-ups of Ginormica just to show her scale compared to the rest of the movie world, and they just don't seem to be there anymore). So, I guess quantonium makes you an albino... Should she really be walking around in daylight so casually without some super sunscreen?
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Post by Twitter Cordova on May 10, 2009 11:58:34 GMT -5
Ther's been some talk at IMDB about the stress that made Susan's hair go from brown to white in the movie. That could explain why it wasn't brown again when she was back to her regular size during her time in Gallaxhar's ship.
Super sunscreen? Well...not unless they're at the beach, she would need it, but...where are you gonna get a giant pack of sunscreen? Maybe from Monger? He DID change her wedding clothes to her jumpsuit when she was out cold before finding herself in the faclity. He must have a giant load of everything for Susan if they made giant clothes fit for her size.
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