Pros and Cons

[Samin Edogawa]

Me offering up my two cents C:

Please reply with disagreements, pros and cons of your own C:

Link x Susan
Pros-
Link respects Susan

Cons-
(Sorry, but I had to put this)
Technically, it's BEASTALITY

Dr. Cockroach x Susan
Pros-
They had met first(even if he was whacked with a spoon)
He made inventions and stuff just for her, not caring about her own feelings.

Cons-
Dunno, I'm dead tired xD

[Nobility]

*Cackles evilly* Oooh, I think I'm going to like this thread.

For Cockroach/Susan...

PROS:

They get along well, and both hold each other in high regard. Susan clearly respects Cockroach's intelligence, even if she was initially disgusted by him at first, while Cockroach, likewise, respects Susan's strength and integrity.

They trust each other. True, at the time, Susan was just desperate to be returned to normal, but she *did* subjugate herself to Cockroach's many dangerous and sometimes painful experiments with little to no complaint, and no intention of stopping until he succeeded. She clearly trusted the Doc enough that not only was he going to be able to find a cure for her, but that he was also not going to kill her in the process. She placed an awful lot of trust on the ol' doctor, actually, considering she'd only known him for little over three weeks.

They're the most biologically compatiable monsters on the team, assuming Cockroach's... reproductive capabilities weren't effected by the mutation.

Cockroach is pretty much the Anti-Derek. That might appeal to Susan more.

CONS:

Cockroach is a man of science. His entire LIFE has always revolved around his occupation. Susan, while admittedly we don't know for sure, doesn't appear to have any scientific background or is even remotely interested in science- that could create a huge gap between the two.

Cockroach is married to his work, Susan has just come out of a terribly unhealthy relationship and narrowly avoided marrying a complete and utter jerk and has just accepted her new life as a monster. Clearly, as things are right now, neither one of them would be too interested in rushing into a relationship.

The mental age difference. Yes, we know, 'age is just a number', but it's a number that still matters. Cockroach comes from a time where people were more responsible with their relationships and couples with glaring age differences were frowned upon. It may not be much, but if Cockroach is at all nervous about pursuing any real relationship (and you know he would), it'd be easy for him to just say "I'm too old for her" and move on, never giving the relationship a chance to start.

They don't, despite what thousands of fanfictions would tell you otherwise, really understand each other perfectly. Like I said before, Cockroach is a man of science- he thinks with his head only, not with his heart. He's complimenting of Susan, true, and does his best to keep her happy, but he doesn't really empathize with her. Susan, meanwhile, respects him, but can't understand him. No-one really does, honestly.

For The Missing Link/Susan...

PROS:

They understand each other. Yes, I know, I'm sure most of you C/S shippers are going "WHAT? You dare say that the Doc doesn't understand her, but Link does?!" to which I say, "heckz yeah!" Link might not be as sweet or complimenting to her, but that's not his style- he tells it like it is. Link has been in Susan's situation before- a wide-eyed ordinary being who suddenly found himself in an extraordinary situation, where he is unable to return to his family and friends, labeled a monster, and thrown into prison never to leave. Unlike Susan, however, he had to wait over 40 years to ever be released, and even then, he could never return to see his family. Link knows what it was like to despair, but he also knows how to overcome it. If you pay careful attention to the prison scene, you'll notice that Link is only trying help ease Susan out of her depression and obsession of returning to normal, much like how he had to endure. Plus, he's much more down-to-earth than Cockroach, and can hold a level conversation with Susan. Heck, even though he was born a fish-man, Link might be the most human of the monsters.

He's a flirt, she's a romantic. The two kinda go hand-in-hand together, don't they?

She's a dreamer, he's a realist. Two opposites that actually aren't that opposing- Link acts as Susan's voice of reason, while Susan acts as Link's (and the team's) morale booster.

CONS:

The aforementioned bestiality aspect. Of course, this never detracts Link from chasing off human women, but considering he only ever flirts... yeah, that's a little messy subject.

Susan is as feminine as one can be, while Link oozes masculinity. Yet if you pit them against each other in a fight, the dainty-lady's the one who's going to emerge victorious. Link has a fairly fragile male-ego, but an ego none-the-less. I can't imagine Link would be too thrilled to be involved in a relationship where the woman would be the one to protect him instead of the other way around. Plus Link kinda stinks at understanding femininity.

Again, there's the fact that Susan just got out of a bad relationship, and Link just got outta prison to a world of girls. Starting a relationship so soon after the fact would be awkward, especially with each other.

I think I forgot a few points, but meh.

[Crazyrabidpony]

Hmmm... very interesting and very well-put Nobility! *gives you a cupcake*

[Mansion]

Geez, Samin, put away the bottles of gasoline next to the stacks of matches... Are you TRYING to start a flame war? ^__^

That being said, this is something I can sink my teeth into. Let's give it a go, shall we?

SUSAN/LINK

Pros:

1. Clearly, he's interested in her. (Ten thousand reps much?)
2. He's seems to be the most aware of her past and is the first to speak up for her on several occasions.
3. They have several cutesy shippy moments--moreso than Dr. C does with Susan, natch. (The afformentioned attempt to impress her, the bit where she sticks up for him after the bridge fight when Dr. C is teasing him, when he save he from falling to her doom from the walkway in Gallaxhar's ship, blah, blah, blah...)
4. They're pretty close matches in mental and emotional maturity.
5. I see it being the only ship to actually happen without some sort of unrealistic, painfully cliche love confession or needing some sort of catalyst like losing the quantonium. They're both forward enought to make it happen if they want it to happen.

Cons:

1. Obviously, they're not the same species. (Though, eh, she's a frickin' giant. It's not a physical thing to begin with.)
2. Link's a little bit of a womanizer...
3. Susan herself doesn't seem terribly interested in any of her monsters in a romantic way (and yes, this is a con for Susan/Cockroach, too).
4. If they get together... Then what? Eh, maybe that's just me.


Eh, Susan/Cockroach is done to death. I'll let someone else worry about it.

EDIT: I wrote this before Nobility posted her rant of GENIUSNESS, so, eh, I'm echoing her, I guess. She, as per usual, said it better.

[Aurum]

B.O.B./Jello

Pros:
- B.O.B. loves Jello very much.
- B.O.B. is very determined to win Jello over.
- Despite the fact that B.O.B. is tempted with Derek, he eventually sticks it out for Jello.

Cons:
- (I'm sorry, but...) JELLO IS INANIMATE.

[Nobility]

May 28, 2009 0:15:35 GMT -5 Aurum said:

Cons:
- (I'm sorry, but...) JELLO IS INANIMATE.

But... but... this is B.O.B. we're talking about here! He doesn't need anything silly like an animate girlfriend to be happy! Not when he has his imagination! Truly, Jello is everything B.O.B. could ever WANT in life, as long as he believes in it!!

No, the REAL con is that Jello is a food. And we all know how B.O.B. is around food.

Especially if he ever thought jello was cheating on him.

[Mansion]

May 27, 2009 22:55:57 GMT -5 Nobility said:

CONS:

Cockroach is a man of science. His entire LIFE has always revolved around his occupation. Susan, while admittedly we don't know for sure, doesn't appear to have any scientific background or is even remotely interested in science- that could create a huge gap between the two.

Cockroach is married to his work, Susan has just come out of a terribly unhealthy relationship and narrowly avoided marrying a complete and utter jerk and has just accepted her new life as a monster. Clearly, as things are right now, neither one of them would be too interested in rushing into a relationship.

The mental age difference. Yes, we know, 'age is just a number', but it's a number that still matters. Cockroach comes from a time where people were more responsible with their relationships and couples with glaring age differences were frowned upon. It may not be much, but if Cockroach is at all nervous about pursuing any real relationship (and you know he would), it'd be easy for him to just say "I'm too old for her" and move on, never giving the relationship a chance to start.

They don't, despite what thousands of fanfictions would tell you otherwise, really understand each other perfectly. Like I said before, Cockroach is a man of science- he thinks with his head only, not with his heart. He's complimenting of Susan, true, and does his best to keep her happy, but he doesn't really empathize with her. Susan, meanwhile, respects him, but can't understand him. No-one really does, honestly.

Woman, have I ever told you that you are made of pure awesome? CUZ YOU ARE. Everything about this argument is just so riiiight. And, yes, it's slicing apart my OTP and I couldn't be happier.

Because you always make me think even more about them, and have to take the cons into account. This kind of thought is panacea to bad!fic. And you consistently show that you understand the ship better than the shippers do. I just wanna make sure you get your props for this before the S/C shippers get their claws into this thread.

(And stuff like this always makes me wonder WHY I ship them so much, since it's a logic stretch at best. Is it really just because they're a pretty couple? ...Am I THAT shallow? Guh. I'm so ashamed now... Not really. ^__^)

[Mansion]

Oh, B.O.B./Jello

Pro: He actually remembered her?! It's a little shocking, when you think about it.

Con: She's gonna get moldy... DX

[Twitter Cordova]

Aww man! MORE competition of which couple is better than the other? *gives out the stare* o________O Yeeeahhh you know what? I'm just gonna pass on this one because of all of you Link/Susan shippers are gonna kill me for bragging about Susan/Dr. Cockroach again. Just for the record, I won't be clawing anyone if they disagree with me. *skips away merrily and hides*

[Nobility]

Aw, geez, you flatter me, Mansion. ^_^ You make some EXCELLENT points yourself, however.

I see it being the only ship to actually happen without some sort of unrealistic, painfully cliche love confession or needing some sort of catalyst like losing the quantonium. They're both forward enought to make it happen if they want it to happen.

Like this- this is actually a very good point. While any relationship between the monsters would definitely be most dependent on Susan's feelings, between Cockroach and Link, I think Susan would feel Link would be the more natural choice for this very reason.

If Link discovers he has feelings for Susan that he does want to act out on, he isn't going to do it through some sappy, contrived confessional thingy, he's going to act like any smitten macho guy would do- go out of his way to impress her. Get HER to fall in love with HIM, while subtly dropping hints that he already likes her a lot. Let Susan decide if she's ready for a relationship or not, put her in control.

Cockroach, on the other hand, would be more inclined to make a nervous confession to Susan and create an extremely awkward situation; not on purpose or to guilt Susan into saying yes or anything, but just because Cockroach wouldn't know quite what to do. He's not a flirt like Link, he doesn't have a lot of confidence, so he might think the best course of action would be just to confess his feelings for Susan right away, without considering her opinion on the matter, again, not out of any arrogant spite, but simply because he thinks with his head, not his heart.

4. If they get together... Then what? Eh, maybe that's just me.

That's also a good point, one I've thought about myself. I mean, it's not like having Link and Susan dating would actually *change* anything. They'd still be teammates, and they'd still grow old together, dating or not. And Link has plenty of other options now that he's out of prison and girls find him attractive, the fact that he could just date a human girl and still have the option of being truly physical would surely be more appealing than having an abstinent relationship with a giantess (Is this where I mention KatiexLink? ;D). To be honest, I don't really have an answer for this...

And stuff like this always makes me wonder WHY I ship them so much, since it's a logic stretch at best. Is it really just because they're a pretty couple? ...Am I THAT shallow? Guh. I'm so ashamed now... Not really. ^__^)

Hey, I've shipped WAY weirder pairings for WAY dumber reasons. XD And one thing I'll say about Cockroach/Susan (because I always feel guilty after a rant because I give off the impression that I really don't like the pairing at all when I DO) is that when writing them, it's hard to make them NOT like each other. They're just always so sweet around each other, and all romances start with a positive friendship... ^_^

[Blackboxx]

Awww.... More shipping? Seriously?

Okay, okay... I can keep this civil. But you all know I'm foaming at the mouth, right?

Cons- Either relationship (Link or Doc) would muddle the movie's theme of self-confidence. You don't need other "socially acceptable" people to tell you you're worth something. Your actions do that for you. And now for lovey-dovey romance! Wait, what?

Pros- Gosh, this is difficult... It would give senseless fans a distraction while I run the other way to find a series that doesn't ruin its characters? NO! That's not civil... Ummm....

Well, I suppose it would solidify some emotional development for Doc and Link. Doc seems like such a science-obsessed person that actually falling for someone would be some major development. I mean honsetly, Doc? Caring for something other than mad science? Blasphemy! Until it actually happens...

Link comes from a primal era where scooping up a lady and carrying her off was considered a pick-up line. Taking the time to go for the whole courtship thing (let's face it, Ginormica wouldn't buy into anything else, plus Link can't lift her) would be a big step towards changing himself for the sake of making someone else happy/more comfortable.

Alright! Done. I'm off to wash the "eeew" from my skin. And maybe get a hammer to wash it from my mind... Boy, I sure hate shipping (nothing against people that like it, I just can't stand it).

[Nobility]

You know, this IS the couples forum. We're supposed to talk about shipping here. You don't HAVE to post or even look in here if you don't like shipping.

I'm not angry, or trying to come off as some sort of elitist shipper or anything, but it's kind of silly to complain about shipping in the shipping forum.

*Shrugs* Still, at least you try to participate. *Gives Blackboxx a gen cookie*

[Crazyrabidpony]

*Reads the posts* Some of you have said what I was gonna say! ... Good job! *tosses cupcakes everywhere*

[Baycrum]

*steals a cupcake*B.O.BXJello!
Pro:It's Canon
Con:It's a Joke.

[Blackboxx]

May 28, 2009 13:07:03 GMT -5 Nobility said:

You know, this IS the couples forum. We're supposed to talk about shipping here. You don't HAVE to post or even look in here if you don't like shipping.

I'm not angry, or trying to come off as some sort of elitist shipper or anything, but it's kind of silly to complain about shipping in the shipping forum.

*Shrugs* Still, at least you try to participate. *Gives Blackboxx a gen cookie*

Actually, wouldn't this be the perfect place to voice my dissent? I mean, if I can't express my dislike of shipping in the shipping section, where can I?

Man, I'm being a jerk today. But really, I'm just having a little fun. I don't like shipping, but like I said, if it makes you guys and gals happy, go for it. Too much in life to worry about cartoon fantasies of other people.

Oh, and cookies are awesome... I really gotta bake a batch sometime...