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Post by Mansion on Apr 27, 2009 15:11:28 GMT -5
It's weird. Even though Dr. C/Susan is technically--technically--my OTP, I prefer talking to fans of the other couples. then I get all distracted but the shininess of other couples, and I still can't finish any of my Dr. C/Susan fic.
I should work on my L/S fic before I forget what I want to write... O.o
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Post by Crazyrabidpony on Apr 27, 2009 15:21:11 GMT -5
I tend to forget what I want to write too. XD
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Post by Mansion on Apr 27, 2009 16:10:24 GMT -5
Yeah, especially if I see the whole fic in my head at once, and then I can never get what's in my brain to be on the paper just right.
I do wanna work in Link begrudgingly, finally asking Susan if she does, in fact, play cards. Kinda inspired by the transcribed line from the game about her letting him win... XDD
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Post by Nobility on Apr 27, 2009 16:27:35 GMT -5
That would be awesome.
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Post by Mansion on Apr 27, 2009 16:34:45 GMT -5
I like to think so. But again, I should, y'know, DO that instead of just talking about it. I keep just staring blankly at my notebook, though. BRAINFREEZE!
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Post by Nobility on Apr 27, 2009 19:01:35 GMT -5
I know exactly how you feel. I've got all these scenes and ideas that are bubbling around in my head, but I can't for the life of me get any of them down on paper. And when I finally do, I read through it, declare it to be junk, then scrap it and begin the process all over. >_>
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Post by Mansion on Apr 27, 2009 19:21:03 GMT -5
Part of it is that I feel like crap today. I'm all sleep-deprived and, like, malnourished, and spazzy. I pretty much like the words I finally write, but the process of writing them becomes one of many stops and starts. I get stuck on specific lines, then it all mental block and... gah.
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Post by Nobility on Apr 27, 2009 19:56:07 GMT -5
*Pats Mansion on the back* Real life can really stink, huh?
Anyway, I have a random long-winded introspective on Link/Susan vs. Cockroach/Susan rant:
Lots of people, when writing Susan bonding fics, tend to single out Cockroach as the one monster who is particularly close to her and relates to her the best, because he used to be human. This is all well and good, but I can't help but wonder- do Susan and Cockroach really have THAT much in common? Sure, they were both human at one point, but I honestly can't imagine Cockroach's previous life was all that different from his prison life. From what I can gather from the movie, Cockroach was always a loner and an out-cast, and I assume he lived alone. After the accident, however, he was carted away to prison... where he was forced to remain alone and invent things to pass the time. At least until the other monsters arrived on the scene. In fact, in some ways, I wonder if being in prison has actually helped Cockroach social skills because he was forced to interact with other people (er, monsters). Now, I'm not saying that Cockroach was always perfectly fine with the arrangement, but in the long run, I'd actually say Cockroach was pretty content with his life in prison.
Contrast this to Link, who came from a society and time where he was accepted as normal- now suddenly he's in an un-familiar world, with no way to return to his previous life. He's not even allowed to explore this new world for long until he is hunted down and incarcerated for being himself.
Then there's Susan, who was as happy as she could be with her life and was about to marry the man of her dreams (who turned out to be a jerk, but that's not the point)- when all of a sudden she is mutated by a meteorite, taken away from her family and fiance, and stuffed in prison, supposedly never to leave. She had everything, and suddenly lost it all by circumstances that were beyond her control. Cockroach most certainly can sympathize and empathize, to a certain point- but Link has a better understanding of how she feels emotionally. They both were perfectly normal at one point, but then circumstances beyond their control brought them to where they are today, and they are punished for it.
In short, I have to say: "Why aren't there more Susan/Link bonding stories!?!?"
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Post by Mansion on Apr 27, 2009 20:11:26 GMT -5
*applauds, cheers, blows noisemaker*
THANK YOU!
Seriously, that's been bugging me, too. I think maybe Link would be aloof with her for about a week, then start to warm up with her, and obviously, they end up just as close (if not closer) than Susan and the Doc. I mean, LINK'S the one who remembers most of the little details of her life. AND he's more encouraging in the gas station scene.
And, really, this bugged me too much when I tried to write Susan/Dr. C bonding in The Area, to the point where I scrapped that whole fic and started on my Susan/Link bonding fic... WHAT THE HECK DO SUSAN AND THE DOC EVEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT?!?!? I mean, I love the Doc, he's sweet, but he's gotta talk about science stuff and his plans for the experiments all the time. Susan has no scientific background, especially in the Doc's weird, lateral-thinking mad science. After about the second or third try, I think she'd give up trying to understand him. Link can hold a conversation at her level, and they must have talked about their pasts for awhile, as there's canon movie proof of it.
The parallels of their situations are too intriging to be ignored, too. The Doc was specifically trying to mutate himself. Not to the extent he ended up with, but still, it's really not the same barrel of fish.
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Post by Nobility on Apr 27, 2009 20:49:54 GMT -5
Exactly! Heck, in the movie, Susan appears to be more exasperated with the Doc than anything, as she's really only allowing herself to be his guinea pig just to get small again. And I couldn't help but get the feeling that Link was acting a little... protective of her in that scene, in his own Link-ish way. I dunno, just the tone of his voice when he said "you've been letting that quack experiment on you for over a month", it sort of sounded like was he saying "you're going to get yourself killed! Can't you just accept you're not returning to normal and move on with your life?" or something.
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Post by Mansion on Apr 28, 2009 11:33:25 GMT -5
I didn't get the "exasperated with the Doc" vibe (*cough*skewd perspective*cough*), but she did seem like she had a grin-and-bear-it kind of determination that meant she was, like you said, just tolerating the experiments for her own agenda.
And hello, total protective vibes from Link! I thought that went without saying! He just seems so fed up with her grasping at straws and wants her to move on and accept life at The Area like he eventually did. Which makes me think that he's totally been in that same mental place. (I can see him having tried to bust out many a time before he eventually gave up...) Of course, they were playing that moment up for gags (No one's ever getting out of her!" "Good news, Monsters; you're getting out of here!" "...Until today."), but I do love that he was kind of trying to get her to accept herself as she was.
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Post by Nobility on Apr 29, 2009 11:23:39 GMT -5
Well, she seemed a little exasperated at the moment, at least (not that I blame her). Of course, I'm not saying she's totally incompatible with the Doc, just that she has a lot of chemistry going on with Link as well that gets ignored a lot by the fandom.
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Post by Nobility on May 18, 2009 23:48:34 GMT -5
*Casts phoenix down on dead thread*
Sooo... I just saw the movie again recently, and, aside from the fact that the movie was awesome and I was seeing it for the first time with my friend in 3-D, I was again reminded of how... awesome Susan and Link's interaction was. Just... the way he so subtly tries to console her, how supportive he is of her at the gas station scene, then how he's kind of protective of her in the mothership, and how he's always trying to impress her... it's just... aww, too cute!
Then I log onto FF.net, and all I get is Susan/Cockroach, Susan/Cockroach, Susan/Cockroach, oh, Susan/Cockroach is sooooo canon, Cockroach totally understands everything about how Susan feels because he used to be HYUMAN!1!1, Susan thinks all the others monsters are creepy and is only comfortable with Cockroach, Cockroach is totally crushing on Susan, etc etc. It just... agh.
It's not that I don't like Susan/Cockroach, nor am I bothered by the pairing or that even a lot of people like it, but it seems like Cockroach is the ONLY monster ever shown interacting with Susan ever in fiction. And it's almost always under the pretext of "Cockroach is crushing on Susan" instead of, say, "Cockroach thinks of Susan as a daughter-figure or younger sister figure" or something. I mean, one fic even said that Ginormica couldn't identify with Link at all because Link was a monster, and monsters couldn't love, only pretend, and I'm like, "what? So what was that whole sleep apnea thing, or that 'we could save the whole planet and still be treated like monsters!' angsty speech thing about?"
I know, this is pretty much the same rant I was posting a few posts back, but I'm kind of annoyed right now, and suffering from a SEVERE case of writer's block... *Sigh...* I need some Link/Susan lovin'. *Goes off to reread MidnightMoon14's Something There for the hundredth time*
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Post by Blackboxx on May 19, 2009 6:47:13 GMT -5
That's pretty much how I feel about the situation. Although, I don't understand shipping in the first place. They're cartoons. Why do some people get so teary-eyed about two of them falling in love when it wasn't in the original movie/tv show/video game? Not only that, but some of these fans seem to want the relationship to be the focus of the story. Screw the aliens!
I took a chance and actually read some of the fanfics. Boy, do I regret most of them (please, no one take any of this personally). So much blatant character breaking. There were a few that were tastefully done (the one about a random experiment Doc did to help Ginormica was short and to the point without ooey-gooey love scenes, the full-fledged "sequel" where they visit Doc's lab also had minor crush vibes, but nothing distracting). Most just... argh! I can't put it into words...
The same goes for Link shipping. Why? Can't two characters of opposite gender be strong friends (without "benefits")? I find that much more touching and uplifting than romance that feels forced by the rabid fans (again, not meant to be personal, I'm just venting).
Ok... I'm done.
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Post by Mansion on May 19, 2009 14:02:25 GMT -5
*snickers breifly over pheonix down reference*
I feel... kinda guilty? I don't know what it is, but I have a hard time writing Susan. (You'll notice I have a grand total of ONE drabble that even has her in it, and that's just a cringeworthy joke.) But yeah, I feel your pain, even though... I contribute to it. Because really, the only active message board thread anymore is S/C, and people keep bashing S/L and I really don't know to say, because I ship both and I'm okay with that.
I knoooow! But that fic was pretty poorly written, anyway, and the author is, judging from their other works, completely deluded. You get crazies like that.
(But WTF, y'all? Link wasn't a monster in his own time! Gaaaawd. I want to make a whole rant that cuts that fic to pieces, but I don't have the time.)
Even shipping S/C myself, I'm disappointed with about 65% of the shippy fic I read (not counting the ones that are so clearly horrible I don't even bother with taking a chance on). And yeah, the real apexs are Goin' Nowhere and Vendetta because they're... I dunno, WELL-WRITTEN?
Okay, I'm trying to pull away from ship bashing. (Oh, and blackboxx, shippers are a bizarre breed. Sense doesn't factor into it at all. It's... It's a fangirl thing, really... And that's a horrible explainion, but it's one of those things you really can't explain; you just get it right off the bat or you don't.)
Annnnyway, to change the subject entirely, I had one of my epic ideas that I talk about but never end up writing. Basically, being utterly sick of quantoniun-null stories but unable to deny the interesting possibilities, I was wondering what it would be like if the quantonium was STOLEN from Ginormica by an mercenary-type alien (and there are several reasons I say merc-type, being 1) they wouldn't use it right away, but would store it to sell to probably several competing aliens, since it's the most powerful substance in the effing galaxy, 2) there could be an epic space battle to get it back, 3) I could weave Gallaxhar in as one of the competing aliens or another attacking force (since he's probably broke ^_^) and that makes me Gallaxhar fangirl soul happy and 4) because it's cool). So the main plot would be tantamount to an anti-Q-null story, and be focused totally on getting it back.
As for the romantic subplot (gahhhh, I'm such a dork), it was kind of inspired by WAAAAAAY back in the day when there was one page of MvA fanfiction and the ship war was less of a genocide and people kept postulating about Link and Cockroach vieing for Susan's affections. Less of an actual contest, or something especially explicit, just having a couple of hinty-hints here and there, acknowledging the valitidity of both ships and whatnot. Because I like both ships and there are reasons for both of them.
Only, I realized... Link would win, hands down. The way I would write it, anyway. And not through any particular intention, but simply the way I operate in writing and my interpretation of the characters. I see him being way more emotionally available and supportive (whereas Cockroach would be far more helpful in actual problem-solving and retrieving the quantionium), and if I did write it--and in all likelihood, I won't, but it's something fun for my mind to chew on for a while--it would end up with a stronger S/L bent.
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